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How am I doing so far?

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I have been working with TikiWiki for a while now, and very slowly our site is coming together. I have very much used the Fivealive theme, great the way you can change the colours according to Category, which i have used for different levels of membership. I've even copied the TW logo slightly, (sorry) and changed its colour for different Categories to match the variants.

I have been playing around with css, creating classes for boxes, changing h1 to give a more 3d feel, without going over the top.

Anyway how am I doing so far?

The site is www.opgo.co.uk


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Thanks Rick. I have visited your site often, and found it very useful.

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Very nice work, I'm a bit behind you and started playing with a site on my laptop first, am just now building the site on the hosting server.

My first attempt is going to be a website for a Sailing Class Association in the UK. I've a site running already using HTML, php, phpBB3 forum and Dokuwiki Wiki app, but of course each app has to be logged into separately, thus the move to Tiki, quite a job though.

Ricks work is an absolute must for a newbie to Tiki, made very little progress, before taking time to work though this manual properly. In the end I printed it and then had the copy on my desk as I played with the site on the screen.

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Wayne, do you intend to give your site users full site access if registered, or have different content available to different groups?

Our site uses phpbb as the membership db, the wiki uses phpbb authentication with the addition of mysql triggers (written by a programmer friend of mine) to keep the wiki members groups up to date should the database change on phpbb.

It's a one way relationship from phpbb to Tiki, but deals with things like user name change and email changes.

The advantage for us is that there is a home page for Full Members, and another for members in their trial period, with some content only available for full members.

So far the 'Knowledge Base' hasn't taken off, but the wiki has been excellent for the Committee to work on documents before making them available to the Members, or for the Members to work on documents collectively. We had a good no. of contributors who worked on an opinion piece we got published in Registered Gas Engineer magazine (sent to many on the Gas Safe Register).

Our biggest problem is that the jump from forum to wiki is just too much for some relatively computer illiterate blokes. I was hoping to have quite a team by now, but the offers of help have not always materialised. rolleyes


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Hi McIntel (sorry not quite sure of your real name)

The general question of user competence is what is driving me to Tiki.

What I'm planning to do is use the group permission function so, we'll have:

unregistered (anonymous)

Registered (signed up to the site, but not members of the association)

members (full association members)

Committee (private pages and some admin rights)

Admins (committee members that help me with the site full admin)

This is pretty much how I do things now.

At a basic level everyone will have access to at least read most stuff, but not write with increasing access being granted to higher permission levels. I've got this working okay on my test site so far, at least at a basic level.

One other thing I am looking to do is build a boat register when each owner can update their own details.

I can see that the way to go with this is using a tracker, but I want a single registered user to be able to edit their own boat details in the tracker.

Now I can see I could create groups of just one person to provide permission control to do this, but I'm looking for a away to link an individual registered user with their specific entry in the tracker directly. I'm sure there is a way to do this, but I've yet to find the right page in the docs. That said I haven't really started looking to hard yet and the research is good for me as I always discover loads more things in the process.


Generally I'm looking to move everything into Tiki and manage at the permissions level. However, the trick to getting this working for users is going to be designing very good navigation system, because people get lost so easily. The other thing I think is important particularly in Tiki is to provide help as people start moving around, because it looks so complicated at the start and that will put people off.

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Wayne wrote:
Hi McIntel (sorry not quite sure of your real name)


It's Martin, btw.

Wayne wrote:

unregistered (anonymous)

Registered (signed up to the site, but not members of the association)

members (full association members)

Committee (private pages and some admin rights)

Admins (committee members that help me with the site full admin)


Interesting project, it is good to see how other non professional users make use of TW. Are you using Categories to define what people can see, or another technique?

With the boat registrations, I haven't got familiar with Trackers yet, so can't help there.

Wayne wrote:
However, the trick to getting this working for users is going to be designing very good navigation system, because people get lost so easily. The other thing I think is important particularly in Tiki is to provide help as people start moving around, because it looks so complicated at the start and that will put people off.


Lackof menus and an uncertain sort of structure also a problem our wiki has. The members aren't too bad at editing an existing page, but they aren't good at creating links and new pages - hopefully this will come with time.

This is one reason why I have tried to encourage the use of the articles feature for short opinion pieces, copying from the tiki site, to get up to date news and opinions on the site Front Page.

Just an opinion - but the articles feature is much more developed than the Blogs imho, and is better for providing Blogs than the blogs feature.


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Hi Martin,

Just reading you posts again about building a knowledge base. On the sailing site we are making slow progress, but progress none the less. Albeit Dokuwiki really is a very simple system to use. One of my concerns about moving to Tiki is losing this simplicity, which I must retain somehow.

In another work context, I've got a knowledge base up and running which has really taken off, it is fast becoming a single source of reference for all technical documentation. The trick I found here is to treat formal and informal documentation differently again using access controls to provide publishing authority.

About using Tiki categories, I'm still debating that in my head. I'm not sure whether to use permissions at object level, page by page or switch on a category system. the reason for the debate is many of the pages will be relatively static, like normal HTML pages. In the wiki, I'll almost certainly set that up so anyone can read, but you need to register to post, say for the forums.

Again in the interests of simplicity, I've been debating exactly which features to turn on, Forum, Blog Newsletters and Articles seems OTT given that you can do similar things with each. I'm was tempted to go with Wiki, Forum and Blog, but I will take another look at Article functionality.

Good to chat with you like this, learning from people with similar skill/knowledge sets is generally good fun and a bit easier that new2high skill levels, initially at least.

PS I do like the way you have setup those text blocks on your site. I assume they are modules that you've set up a CSS for?

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Wayne wrote:

Hi Martin,

Just reading you posts again about building a knowledge base. On the sailing site we are making slow progress, but progress none the less. Albeit Dokuwiki really is a very simple system to use. One of my concerns about moving to Tiki is losing this simplicity, which I must retain somehow.


I tried several wikis before plumping for Tiki, and thought the end user should find Tiki as easy to use as any other. I would prefer Apple like simplicity though, shame the Apple wiki is so locked into Mac OSX Server.

Wayne wrote:

In another work context, I've got a knowledge base up and running which has really taken off, it is fast becoming a single source of reference for all technical documentation. The trick I found here is to treat formal and informal documentation differently again using access controls to provide publishing authority.

About using Tiki categories, I'm still debating that in my head. I'm not sure whether to use permissions at object level, page by page or switch on a category system. the reason for the debate is many of the pages will be relatively static, like normal HTML pages. In the wiki, I'll almost certainly set that up so anyone can read, but you need to register to post, say for the forums.


I went for Categories for permissions and am regretting it a bit now, as the initial amount of work on them is equal to no. of Categories*no. of usergroups*no of features. The other thing is that child pages do not inherit the Category of their parents, which undermines the Category approach. If you have static pages I can see why Categories would not be so important. Articles are well implemented. The modules work well with them as well.

Wayne wrote:
Good to chat with you like this, learning from people with similar skill/knowledge sets is generally good fun and a bit easier that new2high skill levels, initially at least.


Likewise!

Wayne wrote:
PS I do like the way you have setup those text blocks on your site. I assume they are modules that you've set up a CSS for?


Thanks, Wayne, you just have go to 'Edit CSS', paste the additional css (in this case 'classes' - beginning with a full stop) in, then save. Then you can use the classes in Tiki boxes and divs, as on this page: http://www.opgo.co.uk/twx/BOX

You need to click on the link at the bottom to see the CSS.

I was 'inspired' by OGRE WIKI which has some helpful help pages: http://www.ogre3d.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php


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Thanks for the advice Martin, will pick this up with you tomorrow and anyone else that wants to join in.

But we might get told off for mis-using the forum thread/topic, however,not sure where to move a discussion like this too. I will investigate smile

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Wayne wrote:
But we might get told off for mis-using the forum thread/topic, however,not sure where to move a discussion like this too. I will investigate smile


No problem. A bit of general tiki chat with some theme specific info - shouldn't be a problem!surprised


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