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Features / Usability


Is X possible? (Too many Xs :) )

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Hi everyone,

I´m not yet a member of the Tiki community. But perhaps I will become one; it depends on the answers to this post. So:
We are a group of academics and students (of German Literature - so, forgive my English :-) ) and want to take a stab at a bit complicated project: We want to write a non-hierarchical and non-linear Literary History. If the project proves to be usefull, it could become a big thing (and thus even propagate Tiki :-) ). Because of that, I thought, perhaps somebody could take the time and tell me: Is it possible to do here what we are planning to do?

We need some special features:
(1) The user has got to be able to make a preselection: Which Wiki-version is to be shown (more on that later)?
(2) The wiki has got to be able to remember the reading history of individual users (more on that later)
(3) The most crucial feature: Not only wiki-sites, but site-paragraphes have to be “tag-able”. E.g., the paragraph “Goethe and literary journals” is tagged “media” and it is an autonomous tag but nevertheless a sub-tag of the wiki-site-tag “Goethe”.
(4) The authors have to be able to create different paragraph-versions (more on that later).
(5) We need typed links: Paragraphs and Sites have got to be linked as “influenced by”, “influence on” and “no influence, but similar/noteworthy/...”. (If at the same time the wiki could create a corresponding backlink (Goethe => Schiller: “influence on”, Schiller => Goethe: “influcenced by”), that would be great but not crucial.)
(6) “bridge-paragraphs” - see below.

The idea is this: Every Literary History in book form has to crucial problems: (a) It can tell only one history and (b) it is forced to break the connectedness between historical aspects. E.g.: The author Thomas Mann was influenced greatly by the philosopher Schopenhauer. But they are of different times and realms, so Schopenhauer would appear (if he appears at all) very early in a Literary History and Thomas Mann very late. That´s a no-go. Or: Author A was greatly influence by author B as regards style, but not as regards motives. Thus, either a literary history connects both authors which is not wholly true, or it doesn´t connect them which is just as little true.
We want to solve this: First, the reader is able to preselect the special history he wants to read, e.g. a Literary History in terms of the history of ideas or a socio-historical literary history (Feature 1) (Either he does that on a start page, or, what would be more ideal, on a sidepanel and can change his selection while reading). But an socio-historical article on Schiller would go completely astray, if it wouldn´t at least remark that Schiller was influenced by Kant. Thus, an article on Schiller has got to contain a paragraph on Schiller and Kant and a paragraph on the “socio-historical Schiller”. But if the reader wants to read a socio-historical Literary History, he is less interested in “Kant and Schiller”. Thus, we want to write two different versions of these paragraphs: an in-depth-paragraph and a shortened one. Depending on (1), the reader sees either the in-depth-”Schiller and Kant” and the shortened “sociohistorical Schiller” or conversely (4). For that purpose, (3) is needed. And, furthermore: Imagine, the article on Schiller contains ABCDEF, the article on Goethe CDFGH. Now, a reader reads the article on Schiller and is (via the link “influenced by”) directed to the article on Goethe. In this case he already has read CDF. But in case of his coming directly to the Goethe-article, he hasn´t. Thus, the article has to contain CDF, but in order to avoid redundancies, if he read Schiller beforehand, the shortened paragraph versions have got to be shown (2). And, last but not least, a Literary History tells a coherent story. But two articles don´t make a story but are mere articles. Thus, we want to write bridge-paragraphs. The reader reads Goethe, is directed to Schiller via an “influence on”-link and the first paragraph is a bridge between the articles (6) (dunno, probably this is only a special case of 2, but I´m no Wiki-whiz).

For an answer I would be very grateful,
DaWalda

posts: 1562 Germany

hmmmm maybe ;-)

Sound quite interesting, but I think too much for a one question one answer forum decision.

Probably it would be good to have a cat on this.

Maybe in http://tiki.org/live or via phone.

You can write me an internal message and we agree a date and time for a chat if you want (German landline number at best).

Or come to th IRC room on freenode.net => #tikiwiki
I am user fabricius

Cheers,

--ToF


posts: 3661 United States

Torsten has done a great job responding... here's my $0.02 (USD) worth of answers:

DaWalda wrote:
(1) The user has got to be able to make a preselection: Which Wiki-version is to be shown (more on that later)?

Do you mean a specific version of the wiki page? Users can view the wiki page's history from the History page. See the docs for details.

DaWalda wrote:
(2) The wiki has got to be able to remember the reading history of individual users (more on that later)

Do you mean breadcrumbs (which pages have been viewed)? If so, you can use the Breadcrumbs module. See the docs for details.

DaWalda wrote:
(3) The most crucial feature: Not only wiki-sites, but site-paragraphes have to be “tag-able”. E.g., the paragraph “Goethe and literary journals” is tagged “media” and it is an autonomous tag but nevertheless a sub-tag of the wiki-site-tag “Goethe”.

You can use Tiki Tags or the Category system for this. See the docs here and here for details.


I'm not sure I understand the other items...




HTH,

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posts: 1562 Germany
Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:
Torsten has done a great job responding... here's my $0.02 (USD) worth of answers:


Hehe, could be, but is not. I just do not really understand a few details. And as I speak German, I think a quick physical or instant chat might make things a bit clearer for me more quickly.

DaWalda wrote:
(1) The user has got to be able to make a preselection: Which Wiki-version is to be shown (more on that later)?
Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:
Do you mean a specific version of the wiki page? Users can view the wiki page's history from the History page. See the docs for details.


I have the idea, that DaWalda has a behaviour in mind, which is between Category, Roberts new Forward Link, History and Ankorlink

DaWalda wrote:
(2) The wiki has got to be able to remember the reading history of individual users (more on that later)
Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:
Do you mean breadcrumbs (which pages have been viewed)? If so, you can use the Breadcrumbs module. See the docs for details.


^^ hmmm

DaWalda wrote:
(3) The most crucial feature: Not only wiki-sites, but site-paragraphes have to be “tag-able”. E.g., the paragraph “Goethe and literary journals” is tagged “media” and it is an autonomous tag but nevertheless a sub-tag of the wiki-site-tag “Goethe”.
Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:
You can use Tiki Tags or the Category system for this. See the docs here and here for details.


A ) I understand kind of a magic Wikieditor, which sets a magic link, just guessing in which context the author wants to link.
Like Author writes "Schiller" and the CMS knows or guss which context the author has in mind.

B ) I understand kind of a magic linksystem, where the CMS knows or guesses which context the user has in mind.
The same link knows (or guess) if the user wants to be linked to a socio-historical or to a literature-historical context (or some other context).
And this one magic link links the user forward just depending what he is thinking (socio or literature, full in-depth or shortened ...

C ) I have no idea if Tiki can do such magic things or if we can code, or if I just missunderstand. I believe Tiki cannot know or guess what the user is thinking.

Tiki can help you create content that is interlinked associatively.

The above post let me understand that kind of a contextsensitive usertracking would be needed, that is connected with a "link stamp".
Once the users behaviour is tracked you can guess his wishes, but it might become harder for him to decide by his free will.

Sounds a bit google alike.

Rick Sapir / Tiki for Smarties wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the other items...


Me too

Cheers

--ToF



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